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- From: SHANE NOLAN Date: 03-30-95 19:44
- To: ALL Msg#: 462
- Subj.: CNI News v4.7 1/3
- Area: UFONews
-
- CNI News - Volume 4.7
- March 27, 1995
-
- The stories in this edition of CNI News are:
- 1) THE LAZAR SYNOPSIS, Part Three
- 2) DISNEY: "ALIENS ARE HERE AND THE GOV'T KNOWS"
-
- ISCNI encourages you to respond to stories in CNI News.
- * Public responses can be posted on the Forum message board in topic 28,
- "News Center Feedback"
- * Private responses can be emailed to ISCNI, subj: CNI News Editor
-
- The next edition of CNI News will appear on Thursday, March 30.
-
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-
- 1) THE LAZAR SYNOPSIS, Part Three
- by Gene Huff
-
- [Editor's Note: From the moment he "went public" in mid-1989, Bob Lazar
- became one of the most controversial figures associated with the UFO subject.
- This is the third part of a report about Lazar written by Las Vegas
- businessman Gene Huff. Due to length, a fourth and final part will appear in
- the next issue of CNI News. This report was originally posted on ALTUFO-L
- Digest on March 12 and is reproduced here with Gene Huff's permission. Gene
- can be reached by email at Gufon@IX.NETCOM.COM]
-
- Gene's text follows:
-
- The next Wednesday, Bob, Tracy, Jim Tagliani, and I rented a Lincoln
- towncar to make the trip a little more comfortable. We all owned compact cars
- and the round trip out to Groom Lake was a killer. We arrived, turned our
- lights off, and went in about 5 miles on the Groom Lake road. We pulled off
- on a side road and unloaded our video camera, telescope, binoculars, etc. out
- of the trunk. We left the trunk lid open.
- The disc came up around the same place but, this time, it staged a
- breathtaking performance. It repeated moves similar to the week before, but
- this time it came down the mountain range toward us. At first it seemed far
- away, then you'd blink and it would seem a lot closer, then you'd blink again
- and it would seem a LOT closer. It wasn't the same sensation as seeing a set
- of headlights on a car or landing lights on a jet approach you at night time.
- There was no sense of continual movement toward you. It just sort of "jumps"
- toward you, and this is very alarming to your brain. Bob explained that this
- is because of it's method of propulsion and the way it distorts space/time
- and light. Bob also explained that the bright glow of the disc was due to the
- way it was energized.
- When the disc came our direction, it glowed so brightly that we thought
- it might explode, so we moved behind the open trunk lid for protection. The
- fact is that an explosion was the only thing, other than the sun, that we had
- ever seen be that bright, so that's why we suspected an explosion. As we all
- look back on that now, it's difficult to believe it came so close that we
- backed away from it. After all, it was probably still a few miles away, and
- that fact reflects how brightly it was glowing. But the fact is, it did come
- that close and the event was much more thrilling than I've described here.
- Eventually, it too sat down behind the mountains, and we left. We have
- never seen anything comparable to this in the sky out in central Nevada since
- then, and we haven't even heard other people's descriptions come close to
- describing what we saw. Remember, this all happened prior to the highway 375
- sky-watch becoming ufology's favorite past time.
- The next Wednesday, April 5, 1989, we arrived shortly before dusk. On
- the drive out, Bob told us he had been called to go into work the next day.
- Numerous security vehicles were sweeping the roads that the cattle ranchers
- use to round up their cattle after open range grazing. It seemed that this
- night, more than the previous Wednesday nights, they wanted to make sure no
- one was outside of Area 51. We tried to sneak in using our usual "stealth"
- mode, but security saw our brake lights and began to chase us. We tried to
- beat them out to the highway, but they came from all directions and
- ultimately we had to stop. We told them we were simply out there star gazing,
- which they didn't believe for one moment. They agreed that they couldn't
- chase us off of public land, but simply said they would "prefer" that we
- retreat back up to the highway.
- They issued us a copy of a written warning that said we were approaching
- a military installation, and it stated the Nevada Revised Statutes which
- cited the penalties for taking pictures of the base, etc. So much for those
- UFO researchers who say that the government won't admit that Area 51 exists.
- If that warning isn't an admission, I don't know what is.
- We went back up to the highway, but we didn't leave. A short time later
- a Lincoln County cop named LaMoreaux pulled us over and hassled us. He took
- our I.D.s and radioed our identities into the security base station. It was
- obvious that the guards and the sheriff's office worked together. He let us
- go and we went back home.
- The next day when Bob reported to EG&G, Dennis Mariani stopped him and
- told him they wouldn't be flying out to Groom. Instead, they took Bob's car
- and drove out to Indian Springs Air Force Base, a small, rural base about an
- hour north of Las Vegas. On the drive out, Mariani sarcastically told Bob
- that when they told Bob this was top secret, they presumed he understood that
- meant not to bring his family or friends out to watch a disc test. He also
- told Bob that our shenanigans outside of Area 51 had caused them to postpone
- a "high performance" disc test. Mariani was totally silent for most of the
- rest of the drive.
- At Indian Springs, Bob was debriefed and reprimanded for bringing us out
- to watch the disc test. They didn't know we had been successful the two
- previous Wednesdays. They helicoptored the head security man in from Area 51
- to identify Bob as one of the people he saw when they stopped us the night
- before. They told him that if they caught any of the rest of us out there
- again, they'd arrest us for espionage. Bob explained that he couldn't tell us
- what to do and also reminded them that we were on public land. They explained
- that they would simply claim that we were on government land and that a judge
- would certainly believe twenty of them before he'd believe us. They blatantly
- stated that they would collectively lie to get us convicted -- not that we
- were surprised by that. That was certainly enough to keep me away from there,
- at least for a while.
- They also showed Bob transcripts of Tracy's phone conversations with her
- boyfriend/flight instructor. Bob already knew about the affair, but he was
- shocked to see that they had actual typed transcripts of her conversations.
- Since they now knew that he was aware of the affair, they considered him to
- be a sure candidate for emotional instability. They revoked his security
- clearance and said he could reapply in 6 to 9 months. They let him go back
- home that night, but they apparently weren't done with him yet. A short time
- later they called and demanded his presence back out on the Nevada Test Site,
- but Bob refused. He knew they had no intention of letting him go this time
- and he was not about to volunteer to help them out. Dennis Mariani called and
- threatened him, but Bob stood firm.
- After losing his wife and the most important job a scientist could ever
- have, Bob was pretty much a broken man. His concern for their efforts at
- retaliation caused him to decide to go on television in silhouette and tell
- the story of what was going on out in central Nevada. After he did that, they
- shot his back tire out one evening as he was driving up an entrance ramp to
- get on the highway. This was an extra hint of what was in store for him if he
- didn't shut up.
- Bob had decided to work with George Knapp to expose the story. This was
- an aggressive move on his part to try and gain some leverage. If he went high
- profile, he could force them to adopt a hands off policy. After going high
- profile, if they incarcerated him or killed him, they would have confirmed
- that what he was saying was true, and that was definitely not their desire.
- At this point, we all agreed that there was great power in KNOWING that
- someone was listening on the phone. People watch what they say when they
- suspect their phone line is tapped, but it's a much different story when
- you're confident they're listening. We called friends in other states and
- told them Bob's story. We would also imply that we had informed numerous
- friends and agencies by mail, something that they could not monitor. If
- someone actually was listening, and I think they were, we must have driven
- them crazy trying to figure out what was real. They had to prepare for the
- worst and presume we might be telling the truth. Bob was being followed by
- unmarked cars both day and night. I was even followed one evening.
- Finally, Dennis Mariani contacted Bob and said he wanted to meet and
- speak with Bob on a "personal level." Bob set up the meeting at the Union
- Plaza casino in downtown Las Vegas. The meeting was set for 8 PM on Saturday
- night when there'd be plenty of witnesses if anything bad happened. Joe
- Vaninetti happened to be in town from Los Alamos that weekend. We created a
- stealth plan and Joe and I accompanied Bob down to the Union Plaza hotel.
- Bob entered first and, a short time later, Joe and I entered and sat
- down to play the slot machines as though we were tourists. Bob walked around
- and looked for Mariani, but at first he couldn't find him. Bob even paged him
- on the house phone. Finally, Bob saw Mariani approaching in a crowd of people
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- From: SHANE NOLAN Date: 03-30-95 19:44
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- Subj.: CNI News v4.7 2/3
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- and walked up to him. Mariani wouldn't make eye contact with Bob and walked
- on by as if Bob wasn't there. Bob also noticed another security man from S4
- over by the wall on the other side of the crowd. Bob casually walked by Joe
- and me and told us what happened without looking at us or appearing to
- socialize with us. From a distance he then saw Mariani walk into another part
- of the casino.
- Bob asked me to go into that other part of the casino with him, but to
- stay out of sight. He wanted someone else to be able to visually identify
- Dennis Mariani. We entered in a crowd and Bob pointed out Mariani, who was
- now sitting at a blackjack table. I went and hid behind a bank of slot
- machines behind Mariani. I was only about 20 feet from him and I had a clear
- view of him. He looked exactly as Bob had described him: thirty-five to forty
- years old, medium build, blond hair, and a tightly cropped blonde mustache;
- and this night he was also smoking a slender cigar.
- Mariani's manner was quite curious. He was sitting between two very
- attractive, very buxom women at the blackjack table, yet he would only look
- down at his cards and didn't seem to be enjoying himself. This is unusual
- behavior for someone in the festive casino atmosphere of a Saturday night in
- Las Vegas. Bob walked down the other side of the blackjack pit parallel to a
- long bar. Mariani looked up and his head followed Bob as Bob made that walk.
- Since this was the only time he looked up from his cards, especially
- considering the other available scenery, this indicated to me that he,
- indeed, knew who Bob was.
- Bob walked around the blackjack pit and walked right up to Mariani and
- said, "Well, Dennis, you said you wanted to meet and here I am, now what's
- the deal?" Not only did Mariani not answer, he didn't even look at Bob or
- acknowledge his existence. Bob said, "Dennis, what the hell is going on?"
- Again, Mariani didn't acknowledge him.
- Bob came over to me behind the slot machines and we quickly formulated a
- plan to follow him and try and get his license number or something along
- those lines. Mariani was only out of our sight for less than 15 seconds, but
- when we looked back, he was gone. We hurried through the casino in different
- directions looking for him. We even checked the restrooms, but he was nowhere
- to be found. We went back to the other part of the casino where Joe was
- sitting and asked him if anybody fitting Mariani's description had come that
- way. Joe said no one who looked like that had walked by his area. We could
- only surmise that maybe Mariani was there to speak on a personal level and
- that the other security guy that Bob had spotted was a surprise to everyone,
- including Dennis. No one has seen or heard anything from Dennis Mariani since
- that night.
-
- After this, Bob proceeded to cooperate with George Knapp, who
- subsequently produced "UFOs, The Best Evidence." George won the UPI
- individual achievement award for that television special. During the making
- of that documentary, George tried to check out Bob's credentials, including
- his schooling and his previous employment. George could only find a record of
- Bob's schooling at Pierce Junior College in California. Even Los Alamos
- denied that Bob ever worked there.
- Bob provided George with evidence that he had worked at Los Alamos. This
- included the names of people he worked with, newpaper articles about him, and
- even a LANL phone book that listed Bob's name in it. People were apparently
- going to great lengths to detach from Bob Lazar. Eventually Bob cooperated
- with George in contacting Kirk-Mayer, the LANL sub-contractor that Bob worked
- for at LANL. Both Kirk-Mayer and LANL admitted that Bob had been issued a "Z
- number" of 094729 on May 18, 1982, but both said they no longer had any
- record of Bob's employment. By the way, a "Z number" is some prerequisite
- identification number for anyone who works at any of the LANL facilities. Bob
- also provided George with his W-2 from S4. However, George ran into dead ends
- when he tried to find who deposited money in IRS and FICA accounts on behalf
- of Bob Lazar. The word was that some IRS and Social Security files are also
- classified.
- In the months that followed, ufology began to become more mainstream,
- and much of it was due to George Knapp and others exposing Bob Lazar's story.
- The Rachel Bar and Grill, outside of Area 51, became the "Little A le Inn,"
- and people began running bus tours out to watch the sky over Groom Lake.
- George Knapp received 30 to 40 phone calls on a daily basis which involved
- people's reports and questions reagarding all aspects of ufology. Journalists
- from all over the world were chasing Bob Lazar for interviews, and still are
- for that matter. Then came the brothel bust.
- Bob was still a broken man, but when he had recovered enough to go out
- in public, he sought some comfort with a hooker. Now I don't know how this
- looks and sounds elsewhere in the world, but in Nevada this is no big deal.
- Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada, but illegal in the counties
- that house Las Vegas, Reno, and Lake Tahoe. However, this is just for show
- and it's common knowledge that brothels and hookers in the form of escort
- services exist in these cities also. The police pretend to passively pursue
- this, but along with gambling, drinking, and entertainment, prostitution is
- part of the package.
- Bob called a number out of the newpaper and happened upon a 40 to 45
- year old madam/hooker who ran 2 to 4 girls out of a condominium project in
- the southeast part of town. This was an upper line condo project, so don't
- envision some dark sleezy place engulfed in red lights. Bob went there and
- did his business, but before he left, the hookers were having some problems
- with a stereo or something like that and, naturally, Bob came to the rescue.
- He fixed it for them, and they invited him back for a freebie.
- Well, Bob went back more than once and, in time, all of the girls loved
- him. Bob has this unique manner about him in which he treats everyone
- equally. When you interact with Bob, he never gives you the feeling that he's
- a scientist and you're not so you're not worthy. He treated the hookers with
- respect, like friends and equals, and this was a breath of fresh air to them,
- considering the attitudes they get from some people.
- The madam explained to Bob that she had an ongoing affair with a member
- of Las Vegas Metro Vice and that as long as she didn't do outcalls to the
- hotels, vice would turn their heads and allow her to operate. It is unknown
- whose interest these cops were protecting in the hotels. The madam also told
- Bob that she was an FBI, DEA, and Las Vegas Metro informant. Bob felt a sense
- of security because of all of this and proceeded to tell the madam how he
- could streamline her operation by installing computers, security cameras, and
- other electronic equipment. This appealed to her, and she financed her
- brothel's entrance into the computer age.
- During all of this, something bad happened. The madam fell in love with
- Bob. She offered him fifty percent of the business to stay around, but once
- the electronics were installed, he was no longer interested. Since he wasn't
- really interested in her, it was a drag for him to be around and he detached
- himself from her and the brothel. To say that she didn't take this very well
- is an understatement.
-
- TO BE CONCLUDED IN PART FOUR
-
- ========================================================
-
- 2) DISNEY: "ALIENS ARE HERE AND THE GOV'T KNOWS"
-
- [The following story was forwarded to CNI News by S. Patricia Welsh
- (pwelsh@nwu.edu). The first part is a news release found on the Worldwide
- Web; and the second part is a personal reaction to the reported television
- special, written by Brian Francis Redman (bigxc@prairienet.org). Also
- included is commentary from Media Watch editor Marie Jones.
- As of press time, CNI News has received strongly positive comments from
- three other sources concerning the Disney/Michael Eisner presentation,
- although Marie Jones was less enthusiastic. The syndicated special has
- appeared on different days in different parts of the country and has not
- received much advance notice before airing.]
-
- Alien Encounters from New Tomorrowland
-
- BURBANK, Calif.--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE) - Feb. 13, 1995 - The age-old question
- "Is there life out there?" will soon be answered in a new syndicated
- television special, "Alien Encounters from New Tomorrowland," hosted by actor
- Robert Urich.
- Taped on location at Walt Disney World Resort's newly refurbished
- Tomorrowland area, "Alien Encounters from New Tomorrowland" will take viewers
- on a fascinating trip through the extraterrestrial world, offering
- proof-positive that alien life forms really do exist.
- Expert testimony, photographic evidence, scientific analyses of close
- encounters and interviews with ordinary people who have had extraordinary
- experiences with alien beings will build the case for the existence of
- extraterrestrials in our universe. In addition, through the Freedom of
- Information Act, the program's producers have uncovered page after page of
- documentation proving conclusively that we are not alone -- and that our
- government knows it.
- The finale of the show will reveal a close encounter of the Disney
- kind: a look at Walt Disney World's ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter," a
- sensory thriller from Disney and George Lucas that allows visitors to
- experience firsthand a chilling meeting with an alien creature.
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- From: SHANE NOLAN Date: 03-30-95 19:44
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- Subj.: CNI News v4.7 3/3
- Area: UFONews
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- >>> Continued from previous message
- Host Robert Urich is best known as the star of such popular series as
- "Vega$" and "Spenser: For Hire," the latter of which has spun off into a
- successful series of TV movies. Urich currently hosts TBS' National
- Geographic "Explorer" and "On Assignment" series, for which he has received
- Cable Ace and Emmy awards.
- Writing, producing and directing "Alien Encounters from New
- Tomorrowland" is Andy Thomas. Thomas' credits include a wide range of
- investigative reports on topics ranging from terrorism to the Kennedy
- assassination. He received an Emmy nomination as the original producer of
- Fox Television's groundbreaking reality series "Cops."
- Most recently, Thomas wrote and produced the Cable Ace-nominated "Modern
- Marvels" series for the Arts & Entertainment Network.
- "Alien Encounters from New Tomorrowland" will air between Monday, Feb.
- 27, and Sunday, March 26 (check local listings), and is produced by Thomas &
- Friends Productions in association with Walt Disney World.
-
- ------------
-
- Brian Redman posted the following personal observations after viewing this
- show:
-
- I swear I'm not making up the following, nor did I dream it. Fox TV had on a
- show last night at 11 pm cst (at least it aired here, in central Illinois)
- called... "Alien Encounters From New Tomorrowland."
- For starters, this show did *not* offer the usual disclaimers as to
- (e.g.) "Points of view are not necessarily the only ones", "Views are
- controversial and subject to interpretation," etc. There were *no*
- disclaimers offered.
- The show then went on to say, unequivocally, that UFOs are real, that
- the government has been covering it up, and that part of the cover-up was via
- ridicule and subtly training people to automatically snicker at the subject
- of UFOs.
- Further startling items of interest:
- * The show was brought to us by Walt Disney! It was partly designed to
- promote their latest theme park attraction, opening this summer, called "New
- Tomorrowland." This is not an exact quote, but the gist of their new theme
- park is that Disney has designed it to help prepare us for our "inevitable"
- encounter with aliens (i.e. *Individual* encounter) to occur over the next 5
- years. The show stated, with *no* disclaimer, that YOU will be meeting an
- alien within the next 5 years.
- * The show had documents from former President Jimmy Carter wherein he,
- as President, reports having witnessed a UFO in 1969 when he was Governor of
- Georgia. Carter's demand...to see all information on the subject WAS TURNED
- DOWN!! They had this stated, on mainstream TV, that a "higher authority" than
- the blinking PRESIDENT of the United States turned down his demand for
- information.
- * The program was credible with good witnesses and may have released
- previously undocumented information...
- * Final irony; last words uttered on the show:
- "This has been brought to you by Tombstone [Pizza]. What do you want on
- your Tombstone?"
-
- ------------
-
- Just before press time, Marie Jones filed this comment:
-
- I just finished watching a special one-hour documentary from Walt Disney
- Productions entitled "Alien Encounters From New Tomorrowland" and was a bit
- disappointed. Remember "UFO Cover-Up Live," the embarrassingly bad
- documentary from 1988? Well, this Disney offering wasn't much better.
- Written and directed by Andy Thomas and hosted by actor Robert Urich,
- "Alien Encounters..." served a dual purpose -- a pitch for the latest Disney
- World attraction and a basic course in UFOs 101. While the special did
- feature plenty of great UFO video footage and interviews with some top-notch
- researchers, the sensationalistic tone and terrible direction (how many times
- can you zoom in on Budd Hopkins' eyeballs???) served as major distractions
- from the important and informative material being presented.
- For the viewer new to the subject, this program covered most of the key
- areas of research -- the government cover-up, abductions, military
- involvement, Roswell. But to the veteran UFO buff, it was the same old thing,
- giving the impression that Disney really only wanted to cash in on the
- success of "Sightings," "Encounters," and "X-Files." There was little in the
- way of objectivity and not one skeptic to balance things up a bit.
- All in all, any "revelations" of the government coming clean and
- 'fessing up to the truth seemed to come with a special waiver attached: "Come
- ride the Alien Encounters ride to prepare yourself for that inevitable
- contact." Hey, what else are they going to say -- "We don't believe in UFOs,
- but come ride anyway?"
- Great marketing. Not so great program.
-
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